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Re: Brest to Presqu'ile de Crozon ferry, Brittany

28 July 2015 - 3:44pm
To help you I’ve phoned « Le Brestoâ »…fortunately my French is not so bad. They accept bikes for 4 €, but if you are 12, they prefer to have a reservation to reserve the places for the bikes. Bernard

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 2:54pm
I've had similar on long days, with heat and climbing thrown into the pot and you've got over a decade on me! It's basically your body telling you to take things a bit easier. Heat exhaustion, dehydration, physical effort all go into the pot so try to avoid them - in league with each other at least!

Re: Via Francigena

28 July 2015 - 2:40pm
many thanks for all the advise. I will follow up on your suggestions.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 2:32pm
Thanks for all the tips. I do 80-100 milers fairly regularly - but not usually on a fully (25+kg) loaded touring bike, more on a 7kg racer so there is a big difference there. Usually on tour, my mileage is more around the 60 mark but the particular day in question was really a 'link' day, getting from one area to another. I find 60 miles an ideal distance giving time to enjoy the places I am passing through, plenty of stops, and a good hour or so for lunch. Thinking now of my next little venture

Re: Way of the Roses..an accident waiting to happen?

28 July 2015 - 2:14pm
Hmmm, shirley it's all about staying within the limits of braking performance? My wife and I got the loaded tandem down there last year on rear brakes alone. I'd managed to wear the front pads down to the metal innards and didn't want to score my rims. Cue one Arai, one vee and lots of steam at the bottom when I sprayed the Arai with water.

If you let it get away from you (or suffer brake failure), you're going to struggle to get it back under control.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 1:45pm
My Mrs has had a couple of periods of palpitations over the last few years. She has had every test known to man with no clue as to why it happened and was given a totally clear bill of health. It was quite worrying.
You can get carried away touring alone, I have done it myself. Whilst I would hesitate to suggest 90 miles in those conditions is too far at your age, personally I like to bumble along and do around 50 mpd which allows you to enjoy seeing things, meeting people and chilling.


Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 1:16pm
I don't think it's terribly uncommon, even if it is extremely disconcerting!

I had an episode like that some years ago. After tests, etc., they put down to a combination of decongenstant, coffee, and stress. I get the occasional palpitation from time to time, but have been assured that it's perfectly normal. I am probably just more aware of them for having had the episode that I did.

If you experience more symptoms, do discuss it with your GP. I'm sure you did the right thing cutting short your trip and getting it checked. Take it a bit easier next time!

Re: Leeds Liverpool Canel - Shipley to Gargrave

28 July 2015 - 12:40pm
colin54 wrote:Don't know what it's like beyond Skipton.

Very muddy in 2011 when I slipped and came off. Fortunately I ended up in the bushes instead of the canal.

Re: Where to stay with bikes in Rutland?

28 July 2015 - 12:28pm
There are loads of places to stay around Oakham and Rutland Water. Bikes are a big thing in the area so I'm sure you wont have a problem.

I normally camp at the Old Rectory in Belton in Rutland. They do b&b and there are stables where you could store your bike. Not overly cheap in that area.

The tourist office no doubt has lists.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 12:28pm
I am surprised you want to do those sort of mileages, it is a holiday & the best bit is to able to stop and just chill and take in the place rather than it just zoom by.

Brest to Presqu'ile de Crozon ferry, Brittany

28 July 2015 - 12:27pm
Has anyone got recent experience of taking bikes on this ferry? It seems the company that used to run regular ferries across the Rade de Brest (Azenor) no longer does so, so older posts on this board no longer apply.

The only regular ferry I can find is run by Le Brestoa twice a day between Brest Port de Commerce and Le Crozon. If anyone's used that this year, what's it like for taking bikes on board?

(What I'm actually looking for is a way to get a group of 12 cyclists from Le Conquet to somewhere near the tip of the Presqu'ile de Crozon, first thing in the morning, so we can then spend the day cycling back around the Rade de Brest to le Conquet. The best option appears to be get up early, cycle into Brest and catch the morning ferry, but if anyone's got any better ideas I'm open to suggestions.)




28 July 2015 - 11:20am
We're taking our tandem up to Edinburgh for a long weekend, staying at Malmaison in Leith. I'm looking for recommendations for a 30-40 mile route for a day, setting out from Leith, as traffic free as possible but (preferably) on metalled surfaces. We don't mind a bit of climbing...

Thanks in advance!

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 10:04am
Happened to my friend whilst walking. We'd done 8 miles, stopped for a half and food. He had the drink, got half way through eating, then just passed out. The doctor couldnt find anything wrong and just put it down to strenuous exercise followed by alcohol and too much food too quickly.

Re: Way of the Roses..an accident waiting to happen?

28 July 2015 - 9:50am
The sort of RIDER who runs out of road on Greenhow Hill will also run out of road on Peat Lane.
Greenhow Hill is a wide road with reasonable sight lines most of the time.
I have tried to link the start of the tricky bit of the descent of Peat Lane.....its the worst bit of film I have seen from the Google van....https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.074111,-1.769164,3a,75y,90h,49.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIghmynM4PqmAnYEeH9kv2A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
You can come flying down a straightforward descent (narrow, but open with reasonable sight lines) to be faced with this....the road dives into a tunnel of trees, the stone walls converge to line the gutters. The road is liable to be covered in debris washed down, there is no fast motor traffic to clear the debris. Right on the bend there is a stone water-bar in the road surface.......how close did you have to get to see it on the Google image? How soon would you see it plunging into the semi-darkness under the trees, wearing fashionable cycling sunglasses?
Follow down Peat Lane on Google until you get to the house on the left, and thats the worst of it finished......if you make the first bend, you will be going slow enough to make the rest.
There is an excellent farm cafe at the top of Greenhow Hill, I went there with a group of "new cyclists". We went up Peat Lane, (walking the steep bit), the plan was to return via Duck Street, but that was closed by a road traffic accident (one of the quarry lorries in the ditch). Nobody fancied going down Greenhow Hill, so we went back down Peat Lane. We got to just above my link (where the camper van is parked ) and everybody else got off and walked: I was the only one to ride down the tricky bit.
They all think I am reckless, I'm inclined to think they lack skill.........but perhaps I would have got off and walked if I had been on a fashionable bike with twitchy steering, narrow tyres and dual pivot brakes.
My view is that anybody whose brakes work can get down Greenhow Hill in safety if they exercise reasonable care, but I would not send an inexperienced rider down Peat Lane on their own.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 9:23am
Not a fail, just more experience.

I think rule zero (which is hard to observe) is to be flexible according to the conditions: road better or worse than expected, weather, fatigue etc etc. Probably the 90 miler was a bit on the big side. But nothing ventured...however you absolutely did the right thing to decide to stop.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 7:34am
Atrial fibrillation affects endurance cyclists more than the ordinary man. You had some kind of arrythmia, but it could be several different ones. I would say from your description of the day, that you grossly overdid it. 90 miles on a hilly route into the wind for a 65y old (I'm 65 myself) is just too much. Because you can do it, is not sufficient reason to do it. Flogging yourself excessively is not good for you, in respect of the risk of getting atrial fibrillation. It sounds like you got ectopic beats which are common enough. I occasionally get them myself when I'm at top fitness and when I get them, at my age, it's a sign to me that my heart is getting irritated and I ease up.
More is not necessarily better.

P.S. I'm a retired doctor and have had the time to read this stuff in detail.
When I was young (I'm touring since I was 38) I used to do 70m av per day touring. I've cut that back and now average 50 ish and in hilly terrain less. I still enjoy it just as much.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

28 July 2015 - 12:16am
Hi Nareloc! My heart's being doing that sort of thing since the late '80s and I've got used to just ignoring it... I'm no cardiologist although I did work as a medical physiology technician years ago, so don't take any of my comments as gospel. Lots of people including super-fit athletes have hearts that don't beat 100% consistently. You only have to spend a couple of hours browsing the internet to find that minor arrhythmia are very common indeed and are often unexplained - factors like alcohol, hunger, tiredness and stress have the most effect on me and my heart. I have learnt to avoid key combinations. Red wine in anything more than the smallest quantities is almost guaranteed to trigger some heart block, unless its the posh stuff without any sulphates (see label!) Another thing I do now is hydrate, which I have learnt to do so it's second nature - it's very seldom that I get thru' a day without drinking at least 2 litres of plain water - more if it's hot. Northern France is perfect 'cos there's so many churches and their accompanying grave yards, each one of which has a tap of cold water for watering the flowers!
I have also leant - and it wasn't easy! - not to panic and so far I haven't died yet. This was after turning up at a&e a couple of times with the old ticker doing very similar things to what you describe, and finding the medical staff reassuringly underwhelmed!
A few years ago, I spent some time reading forum posts from other people with similar and far worse symptoms and finally concluded I had very minor symptoms compared with some and privately vowed to stop worrying about them, although it's a lot easier to say it than do it!
I am off to France for a 2 week tour in a couple of weeks time.
Loads of research suggests that cycling is good cardiac exercise when done in moderation - keep it up!

Re: Leeds Liverpool Canal - Shipley to Gargrave

27 July 2015 - 11:54pm
I've always gone up the main road B6265/A629, or on the pavement next to it as you near Skipton, there's never pedestrians on it until you get into Skipton itself.I think the first

bit is dual carriageway but there's room inside the white line to keep out of the way and it's not that far anyway.It follows the valley where the railway line goes

so there's nothing too steep.Alternately you could put your bike on the train at Shipley, Saltaire or Bingley and train it to Skipton they're pretty frequent.

There's no need to go into Silsden if you're coming off at Riddlesden you just skirt Keighley,you don't touch Silsden at all. I've never been up the B 6265 on the opposite side

of the valley , but at least it avoids the main road traffic I suppose.

Re: Touring - worst fear?

27 July 2015 - 11:46pm
Being prevented by age/ bad health/ bad back.

Re: My first touring 'fail'

27 July 2015 - 11:40pm
quite wise your approach.


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