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Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 7:36pm
In this case two drivers had access to the car. There is AFAIK no evidence they were both in the car at the time of the crash.

The video clearly shows the car number plate, but it was a hire vehicle and Nottinghamshire Police said it cannot prove who was driving.
Instead, a man who was eligible to drive the car has been fined £150 for failing to provide driver details.

If the man hiring the car is unwilling to say who was driving, he should be given the prison sentence, someone drove the car into the cyclist, failed to stop, ID not disclosed.
Either the person hiring the vehicle or using it needs to held accountable.

So your work hires a car. Various people use it. One of your workmates hits a cyclist and keeps quiet. Are you happy to get a conviction?
If the works hires a car, they have to keep records then of the time and area of use per driver, otherwise the management or owners of the works have to accept responsibility.

So, if 2 are in the vehicle and not disclosing who is driving both are guilty or conspiring, jail term automatic for both. OK sometimes two people will be in the vehicle and both will say the other was driving, both serve a term, one may be Innocent, but the other option is allowing for no effective measures.

If you have a soft system people will use excuses, nearly killing someone, £150 fine, a joke of a system.

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 February 2016 - 7:33pm
Could someone (e.g. 'honesty') please advise about the suitability of leaving Oxford (heading towards Leicester) on the B4150, over the A40 and north towards Woodeaton and Islip?

The B4150 looks a bit big and busy (streetmap), but I'm having trouble finding a route out of Oxford without using the axis of evil (A34-A40-A44) at the north end of Oxford.

While I'm told I could take the canal to Kidington, I found a picture on google streetmap which seemed to indicate that the towpath is unpaved. I'm not sure about riding that.

Any opinions on the A4095 north of Kirklington would also be useful. While it's an A-road, it doesn't look too bad on streetmap. I'd be on it for about 3km.

I had to give up on my first route to Oxford as it was getting longer and longer. I have found a shorter 125km route, which doesn't seem too bad. And I'd only be on it for a kilometre or so. In terms of a planned build from 100km to 200km rides, 125km seems a useful step forward without being too much of a jump.

I don't want to waste anyone's time as this route will likely be refined further. But, this is what I have at present: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Oxfor ... 484838!3e1 It is very different from the first draft I posted.

List of villages passed through:

Oxford
Woodeaton
Islip
Bletchingdon
Kirtlington
Upper Heyford
Somerton
Charlton
Farthinghoe
Moreton Pinkney
Canons Ashby
Preston Capes
Newnham
Watford
Crick
Yelvertoft
Clay Coton
Stanford on Avon
Swinford
Walcote
Gilmorton
Ashby Magna
Willoughby Waterleys
Countesthorpe
Blaby
Leicester

PS: Thanks for the Gloucester tips. I'll be working more on that route as well. But Oxford will come first.

Re: Bristol to Reading - on road bikes?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 February 2016 - 7:06pm
I'm hoping to ride this with ReadingCTc this summer, but I want to know if these on-road routes are similar to what you all have ridden?
My objective is to use a sportive bike with 25c tyres, roll comfortable enough on the mixed terrain as plotted. If anyone can share their GPX file that will also be handy to compare. Thanks.

Bristol Templemeads to Bath Spa (Using the railway path)
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/970377615

Bath to Devizes (On road avoiding as much of the rough K&A canal as possible but reach the locks)
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/970395715

Devizes to Bedwyn (I think this is NCNR4?)
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/970402073

Bedwyn to Newbury (Following the NCN route 4 on road, I chose these points incase others want to return earlier by train)
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/970406337

Newbury to Reading (Avoiding the rough Kennet and Avon path, so going a back route)
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/970414931

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 6:43pm
Steady rider wrote:If two people or more people are in a vehicle and no one admits driving, all should be charged with a joint offence and of conspiring together, penalty to include a prison term for all involved.

In this case two drivers had access to the car. There is AFAIK no evidence they were both in the car at the time of the crash.

Steady rider wrote:In this way anyone driving or a party to hiring the vehicle could be charged.

So your work hires a car. Various people use it. One of your workmates hits a cyclist and keeps quiet. Are you happy to get a conviction?

Mercian King of Mercia, 21" (2008 fast tourer)

CTC Forums - Bikes For Sale - 5 February 2016 - 5:45pm
I am very sadly auctioning off my Mercian King of Mercia tourer in great condition. I'm the second owner and it cost £1888 new in 2008. Photos are at http://ow.ly/WvYUZ

I had a dream to cycle all around the world and spent way too long researching the best touring bike. I also wanted one made in Britain or not too far away. This was the result - my dream bike, which I bought second hand for £950. However, I never did cycle around the world and managed one month long tour and one week long tour. All the rest of the time my dream bike has been hanging up indoors. I haven't quite had the heart to say goodbye to my dream of long distance tours but now moving house means I'm getting a kick up the bum and have to sell it. This is 100% a dream bike and whoever gets it will enjoy it, have adventures and hopefully give it a very good home.

The serial number is 92008. Asking price £850. Serious offers will be considered. Sorry I'm too busy to include all the details right now - I'll update this ad with more details about the spec when I have the time. For the moment, see the photos at http://ow.ly/WvYUZ



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Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 5:35pm
Samuel D wrote:Tom Richardson seems more concerned with whether the cyclist gets some cash than whether the perp gets punished and others are deterred from acting similarly in the future.



I'm pointing out that's the system that we have; that the law often allows motorists to bash into people so long as they pay compensation on assumption that cash will make things right. I'm pointing out that motorists who run into people have to pay compensation to make things right even if the criminal system does nothing. And I'm pointing out that despite the concern expressed in these forums many people say that they're reluctant to use the only redress often available to them when they've been run in to.

What I'm really getting at is that if you get run in to you should sue every time - sue like a motorist. Its often the only redress you will get but at least in theory it should be good enough to recompense and deter. It may be satisfying to see action by the criminal justice system as well but it makes little practical difference.

Think about strict liability - so often mentioned. It makes it slightly cheaper for a vulnerable road user to claim from a motorist who has run into them but those costs would be borne by the motorist anyway. The only practical benefit is that motorists know that if they run in to a vulnerable road user they're very likely to get sued. Do you think this motorist would have done that if they knew it would still land them with a £20k claim for loss, damage and expense even if they escaped criminal prosecution? Hard to say really I know; there are some total nutters out there but I reckon it would be a lot less likely. Don't wait for strict liability; sue like a motorist.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 5:35pm
If two people or more people are in a vehicle and no one admits driving, all should be charged with a joint offence and of conspiring together, penalty to include a prison term for all involved.

In this way anyone driving or a party to hiring the vehicle could be charged. An automatic maximum penalty could be applied, meaning disclosing who was driving would in most cases result in a lesser penalty. Some measure along theses lines are probably needed.

Re: Deliveroo

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 4:44pm
Revolution wrote:Given that in Nottingham, you can have high quality video of attempted murder going unpunished, I decided not to waste my time reporting the incident.
Was there any doubt who was driving those scooters then? Send the photos to ASPolice, who weren't involved in Nottingham.

Re: Deliveroo

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:43pm
I've seen a few motor scooters but more cycling. This is also in Bristol. If you want to see the Deliveroo cyclists, they hang out in front of the Victoria Rooms when they're not on a job. I don't know where the motorised ones congregate.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:41pm
One obvious conclusion is that the penalty for failing to identify a driver ought to be proportionate to the penalty for the offence being investigated.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:39pm
johncarnie wrote:Having read numerous articles on this, it would appear that there were two possible drivers - could they not be charged under the "joint enterprise" legislation?


No. They would need to be proved to be acting together. Like Chris Huhne and Vicky Price. Then there is the fact that as spouses they can not be compelled to give evidence against each other.

Pair of Blue His (23.5”) and Hers (17.5”) Dawes Bikes

CTC Forums - Bikes For Sale - 5 February 2016 - 3:28pm
Pair of Blue His (23.5”) and Hers (17.5”) Dawes Bikes, Lightly Used, Plus Many Extras, in Devon

Please refer to attached photograph.

His: Dawes Sterling with plastic water bottle and holder, rear carriers and elasticised cord, plus hat.

Hers: Dawes City Vision 4 with front basket, front and rear lights, rear carrier and elasticised cord, unattached stand, plastic water bottle, plus helmet.

This sale includes a number lock security immobiliser, a foot pump, two bicycle covers and four bicycle trouser clips.

All of this for only £165 or nearest offer.
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Re: Too many vehicles!!!

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:28pm
Vantage wrote:More people on bikes is what we need and a better understanding of cyclists. Other countries figured it out. The UK is just full of eejits.
Even the eejits are cottoning on. The workman repairing (or not, but that's another story) something for me today was waxing lyrical about both his mountain bike and his new road bike, as well as enjoying trips out with his wife.

Don't despair: it'll come.

Re: Deliveroo

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:23pm
Saw a cycling Deliveroo on Sauchiehall street in Glasgow the other day. Big box to carry on your back on a bike.

Re: WESTERN ISLES

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 February 2016 - 3:16pm
Several earlier mentions for Gatliffe Hostels.
They are very similar to the old style Youth Hostels,fairly basic,but in wonderful locations,& you'll no doubt meet some interesting people.
Highly recommended as part of tour of Outer Hebrides.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 3:05pm
Having read numerous articles on this, it would appear that there were two possible drivers - could they not be charged under the "joint enterprise" legislation?

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 2:59pm
simonineaston wrote: so spend all that money thinking of ways we could get rid of them some of them!"

May I suggest the following drivers...wvm, BMW, Audi, Merc, under 30's and over 55's and anyone daring to even consider an SUV, 4x4 or people carrier?

More people on bikes is what we need and a better understanding of cyclists. Other countries figured it out. The UK is just full of eejits.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 2:43pm
Samuel D wrote: Forensics could even get fingerprints and hair samples from the car interior, if push came to shove. Etc., etc.

Ah but could they? Lets not forget this was a hire car. Unless the actual owner/carer of the car has meticulously scrubbed every last mm with bleach between uses, there could be hundreds of different dna samples all over it. Mr and Mrs CyclistHater could have both driven it at different times.

Re: Deliveroo

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 2:21pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:I've only come across cycling Deliveroos. I met and chatted to a Greek rider up at the top of Lansdown in Bath. He had cycled up from the centre to deliver food to the boarders at the school. RESPECT to him for getting up that hill with a massive box on his back!


I've seen the same guy in Bath. It was blowing a gale which was difficult in cross winds just riding a bike, I don't think that I would like to try in with a huge square sail on my back.

The were also plenty of these delivery cyclists in Manchester when I was there a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Deliveroo

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 February 2016 - 1:44pm
I've only come across cycling Deliveroos. I met and chatted to a Greek rider up at the top of Lansdown in Bath. He had cycled up from the centre to deliver food to the boarders at the school. RESPECT to him for getting up that hill with a massive box on his back!
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