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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 6:05pm
Bicycler wrote:This bloke was similarly 100% to blame for his actions.Was he 100% to blame?
Was he not a victim of society or mentally deranged?
How do we know until he's arrested and investigated?Bicycler wrote:My question was - given the number of these incidents we see reported, where an innocent comment ignites a short fuse which escalates to a road rage incident- is confronting other road users something we might wish to carefully avoid doing?Exactly.

I remember bullies at school, they made some people's lives - including mine - rather unbearable. Do we blame the bullies, or do we blame their environment? What turns people into bullies with them persecuting the innocent?

Re: Solar charger or dynamo

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 August 2015 - 5:59pm
Each to their own - we used a Portapow 15w 2A solar charger (circa £30) on a recent 2 week tour in France. This charged/topped up an EC Powerbank (3.7V/22500mAh/82.8Wh (circa £15))
Didn't need to go near mains power for the whole trip - charging a couple of iPhones. Also was great for days on the beach! The variable voltage cycling through shade etc, caused iPhones (and presumably Android types as well) to disconnect and subsequently ignore the charger until they were physically disconnected and then reconnected; so a battery which allows trickle charging was necessary. This does reduce efficiency, but not so much that we noticed. A few hours a day on the back of my rack seemed enough to charge the battery.

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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 5:43pm
Psamathe wrote:Bicycler wrote:...The wider issue of whether it is wise for us (as road users) to enter into confrontation seems to me to be more interesting and something where people may have different opinions. I see it as needless and something which can only encourage an argument. I am in no doubt that I would not have put myself in that position. Others I suspect may not think it right that perceived wrong doing on the parts of other road users should go unchallenged.
Difficult one. But I think if all cyclists always give way to everybody, everything under all circumstances, assume they are at fault and that everybody else has priority, etc. then everybody else will happily adopt the position that cyclists get out of your way have to give way, etc. and that can cause life to get worse.
Note that I said "as road users" rather than "as cyclists" and also made no mention of fault or not having priority. I didn't think the suggestion that vehicles should allow pedestrians in the road time to cross was so controversial.

kuba wrote:Saying that we should avoid unnecessary conflict is stating the obvious, isn't it? But the problem with stating it in this context is that it helps perpetrators feel vindicated and victims feel guilty. You say she's not to blame, but then suggest she - or a hypothetical someone in an incident like this - could be 'that bit less confrontational'.
The 'victim blaming' issue is always going to raise its head when discussing crime prevention in light of crimes which have occurred. It's a paradox; we cannot discuss how to protect ourselves from becoming victims without being interpreted as blaming exiting victims. I did all I could in every post to point out that I thought the blame could only lie with the perpetrator. Look at this analogy. A bike thief is always 100% to blame for the crime of stealing a bike regardless of any action of the owner. This needn't stop us discussing how people might reasonably prevent their bikes from being stolen. This bloke was similarly 100% to blame for his actions. My question was - given the number of these incidents we see reported, where an innocent comment ignites a short fuse which escalates to a road rage incident- is confronting other road users something we might wish to carefully avoid doing?

Re: Anyone use a prepaid currency card?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 August 2015 - 5:41pm
Hi
We used Caxton as well (having read about it here last year I think) for a 2 week tour in France. Highly recommend it. Good rates and much less worry about fraud.. and you
save a lot of bank charges.

Worth noting that you can't use it to prebook hotels etc as it doesn't allow pre-authorisation.. but for day to day it was great.

Re: How much does luggage slow you down?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 5:30pm
Unless the rock is barrow shaped

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 5:16pm
I'm not condoning the assailant.
Please take that as read. I hope the police find him before he does this again.

We don't know the history of this.
We don't know the (unknown) chap or why he was like he was and why he reacted like this.
I'm sure - from the "evidence" - it was unprevoked by the female cyclist, but why did he do what he did?

Can we see it from his point of view?
Difficult as it is, but why did he do it?
Society? Drunk? Upbringing? Mental health?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 5:09pm
Bicycler wrote:...The wider issue of whether it is wise for us (as road users) to enter into confrontation seems to me to be more interesting and something where people may have different opinions. I see it as needless and something which can only encourage an argument. I am in no doubt that I would not have put myself in that position. Others I suspect may not think it right that perceived wrong doing on the parts of other road users should go unchallenged.
Difficult one. But I think if all cyclists always give way to everybody, everything under all circumstances, assume they are at fault and that everybody else has priority, etc. then everybody else will happily adopt the position that cyclists get out of your way have to give way, etc. and that can cause life to get worse.

But at the same time, being confrontational is probably not going to help either. Let wrongdoing go unchallenged and the wrongdoers just carry on doing wrong and push it even further.

Maybe the answer lies elsewhere e.g. maybe if the Police did not wait around for evidence like this case where they can't find any excuses for their normal "do nothing".

Ian

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:47pm
Bicycler wrote:No it isn't it's a separate discussion. I went to some length to point out that the blame remained his and only his. That is not to say that there aren't ways in which we can reduce opportunities for unnecessary conflict. Far too often we see incidents like this which would not have happened if people were just that bit less confrontational.

Saying that we should avoid unnecessary conflict is stating the obvious, isn't it? But the problem with stating it in this context is that it helps perpetrators feel vindicated and victims feel guilty. You say she's not to blame, but then suggest she - or a hypothetical someone in an incident like this - could be 'that bit less confrontational'. I don't get it. This video doesn't show unnecessary conflict, it shows an assault.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:29pm
Bicycler wrote:Well he's heard saying "Come on then. You wanna put your finger up at me you mug". An odd comment if she hadn't. I reckon she had time to slow and allow him to cross and that is what should have happened regardless of "right of way".

This guy is blind with rage, and she may well have simply waved a hand for all we know. Her language isn't confrontational, whereas he's clearly a bully and feels man enough to intimidate a female on a bike. As for slowing down, well, when leaving a junction with a queue of cars behind me the last thing I wan't to do is to brake rapidly to let a poor, colour-blind soul cross on the red.

But even if she and not him were on red, and shouted abuse at him, that still doesn't justify his assault in the slightest and that's the issue here.

Re: Shame more don't take this stance with traffic offences.

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:29pm
Which roads?
I ride and driver out KL and around that area,I still can't think of one road that I'd get stuck behind a cyclist for more than 1/2 a mile at most.
TBH If I'm holding up traffic for the kind of distances you mention I'd stop and wave them past.

I agree though some motorcyclists can be a bit scary at w/ends in that neck of the woods though.

Re: Shoreham air crash

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:28pm
Flinders wrote:TonyR wrote:Psamathe wrote:Re: Shoreham Tragedy
Radio 4 Today program had some official from CAA this morning and he didn't handle the interview well. He did comment about their safety record (which he said was good) but fell down badly when asked why the CAA would wait for the AAIB report (which can often take ages and ages) before reviewing the airshow regulations. The interviewer's point was that whatever the cause, accidents clearly do happen so, irrespective of the cause he maintained the CAA should be reviewing procedures to remove/lower than risk now rather than wait ages (by e.g. moving such displays over where there are no people. CAA guy's response was that they rather wanted to stop such accidents (hence waiting for AAIB) whereas interviewer was arguing to act now to reduce risk for public (and there will always be a risk of accidents in these types of display). Interviewer came across better as he was arguing that the particular display should have been carried out over the sea (something I guess cannot be done for all airshows e.g. inland ones).

Ian

The usual something must be done knee jerk response. Tragic as they are these are the first spectator/public deaths in an air display in the UK in over 60 years. How about instead doing something about the quarter of a million plus violent deaths of members of the public over that time from road accidents. They've had plenty of time to think about an answer to that one.

It seems to me that the CAA have simply done exactly what they should do- ground the aircraft type until it is known if there was a fault on the aircraft, and limit flying activities in case there was an issue with the display itself. Until they have more information about what happened, what else could they have done?

It's never quite as simple as that. No-one knows if there was a fault with the Malaysian B777 that was lost over the Indian Ocean but that type (with perhaps 1200 in service worldwide) hasn't been grounded. Likewise, no-one knew what caused the loss of the Air France A330 (again with around 1200 in service) until they got the FDR and CVR out of the Southern Atlantic, and that type wasn't grounded. With just a handful of Hunters operating (and Concordes, after the Paris accident) it's easier for the Authority to take such sweeping action.

Re: How much does luggage slow you down?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:16pm


I was shifting logs the other day and stacking them up as firewood. Hazel mainly, and a variety of widths but similar lengths 15 or 16 inches. The diameters varied from 6" down to 1".

The weight of a barrow-load of logs ................. small logs are heavier then big logs.


........... oh, and a sack of sand is heavier than a sack of rocks.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:11pm
The please don't try and push me off is strange, maybe he pushed the cyclist for making him stop. The right/wrong of the cyclist stopping to let him continue is a side issue and hard to tell the full circumstances from the footage.

The reaction from the pedestrian is totally OTT, I'm guessing it has only just been released as the police haven't had much luck finding him so put out an appeal

Re: How much does luggage slow you down?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:08pm
But would 30kg of feathers be harder or easier

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 4:06pm
Well he's heard saying "Come on then. You wanna put your finger up at me you mug". An odd comment if she hadn't. I reckon she had time to slow and allow him to cross and that is what should have happened regardless of "right of way".

EDIT: And if anything here is irrelevant, then that would be the cyclists' behaviour prior to being assaulted. It's a bit of a 'short skirt' argument...
No it isn't it's a separate discussion. I went to some length to point out that the blame remained his and only his. That is not to say that there aren't ways in which we can reduce opportunities for unnecessary conflict. Far too often we see incidents like this which would not have happened if people were just that bit less confrontational.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 3:41pm
Bicycler wrote:kuba wrote:kwackers wrote:Why did the cyclist not allow the guy to continue crossing? He was obviously well on his way across so giving way to him would have seemed like the fairly obvious thing to do.

If you look at the traffic light right at the start of the video, in the top left corner of the frame, it's quite evident he's crossing on a red light. That's probably why cars didn't stop for him, and neither did the cyclist.
Irrelevant. He was crossing the road and you should always allow pedestrians who have started to cross the time to do so. As it happens the cyclist not doing so, then having a go at the pedestrian and giving him the finger resulted in a violent outburst from the pedestrian. The police are rightly seeking him because it was entirely his fault that he acted in that way, but I can't help but think this was a needless altercation.

It's very relevant. The traffic is moving relatively smoothly and the pedestrian is on red when he gets on to the road in front of the cyclist. It's her right of way, not his, and she's clearly trying to leave a junction with cars being right behind her. I also cannot see her giving him the finger either, but can hear her saying "please don't try and knock me off"...? But yes, the altercation was needless of course, if he only waited for a green light!

EDIT: And if anything here is irrelevant, then that would be the cyclists' behaviour prior to being assaulted. It's a bit of a 'short skirt' argument...

Re: Shame more don't take this stance with traffic offences.

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 3:39pm
Off the top of my head there is the road near Kirby Lonsdale that is popular with motorcyclists. It has stretches that TBH worry me without overtaking due to the road bends and the bikers (some think they are on a raceway not a B road). To overtake anything on that stretch needs you to be sure. You can't because you can not look over hedges. Plus the cyclists on that stretch tend to be pretty fast average speed cyclists not bimblers. The bendy bit, from memory, is about 2 or probably more miles long.

My local road has a about a mile to mile and a half where there is either double white lines, single white lines without enough dashed line length to overtake if the biker is fast or with those hatched areas which IIRC are legally equivalent to double white lines. That often results in sitting back in the car.

I have driven behind cyclists in the Dales too where you are sat there for quite some time too (unless you want to take a chance that is). Perhaps I have never had a decent car and the ability to overtake quickly is less with them than your car but I prefer not to take too much of a chance which means sitting back for longer than perhaps you do.

Re: Shame more don't take this stance with traffic offences.

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 August 2015 - 3:24pm
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Which road is that,I'd be interested to know of any road where I'd need to wait behind a cyclists 'for miles' or even one mile FTM,without being able to overtake safely for all concerned.I can't think of one

Re: £1 a day tour completed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 August 2015 - 1:47pm
horizon wrote:And Tom Allen did his whole trip starting with nothing:

http://tomsbiketrip.com/how-to-go-cycle ... ks-part-1/


And really, having just looked at some of the story, that's what I mean. He is personable and unusual enough to have traded some small services for food or accommodation on his LEJOG. And people will offer such once or twice because it's unusual. They wouldn't be keen if it was happening three times a week. That is not to denigrate what he has done or the way he is doing it - simply that it wouldn't work on a larger scale.

As a for instance I live pretty much on the route of the (walking) Coast to Coast. A couple of years ago I met a couple who were having problems and I offered not only to run them into a local town by car but also to use our lawn to camp on if they wanted it (eventually they turned down both). I was happy to try and help but I wouldn't do it three times a week. That's my point.
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