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Re: The bicycle: good enough?

2 hours 20 min ago
cicatriz wrote:Like Twitter, Bicycles are more than the sum of their parts, even when the underlying technologies have a wide range of purposes and are advanced in their own right.

One way of looking at this is that for both, the underlying technologies will improve, possibly even significantly: e.g. material technologies for bicycles or semi-conductor technologies for twitter, but neither would have an enormous impact on the end-user. In this case, I think bicycles may have a bit more scope for growth because changes and advancements will, eventually, lead to cost savings that I don't see as being relevant to Twitter (unless you use it that much it actually has an appreciable affect on your electricity bill or data roaming usage).

However, I don't think there will be a change to bicycles that will get more people cycling in any great numbers. I doubt, even if tomorrow, a bike was announced that had been grown in a lab from some self-repairing, frictionless bio metal that cost less than a £100 that you'd see a huge upswing in bicycle use.

There isn't a lot you can do with twitter itself to get more people using it (even if you thought that was a good thing) - but availability of the technology to use it might. There isn't a lot you can do to get more using bicycles - availability of the infrastructure to use them might.

+ 1 I think that was what I was trying to say.

And yet the big bike firms are constantly trumpeting new products as though they had re-invented the wheel. They wish.

Re: London Safer Cycle Scheme starts today

2 hours 31 min ago
saw in the Evening Standard that Boris also intends to stop construction lorry drivers FROM TURNING LEFT and take more direct routes when delivering to construction sites and to avoid roads that are heavily used by cyclists ( his 3rd phase) with very severe penalties ie have the site shut down! I ll believe that when I see it!

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

2 hours 44 min ago
mig wrote:nope. none of that for me. mainly "real tennis" & lawn croquet don't you know.

I had my suspicions

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

2 hours 56 min ago
Like Twitter, Bicycles are more than the sum of their parts, even when the underlying technologies have a wide range of purposes and are advanced in their own right.

One way of looking at this is that for both, the underlying technologies will improve, possibly even significantly: e.g. material technologies for bicycles or semi-conductor technologies for twitter, but neither would have an enormous impact on the end-user. In this case, I think bicycles may have a bit more scope for growth because changes and advancements will, eventually, lead to cost savings that I don't see as being relevant to Twitter (unless you use it that much it actually has an appreciable affect on your electricity bill or data roaming usage).

However, I don't think there will be a change to bicycles that will get more people cycling in any great numbers. I doubt, even if tomorrow, a bike was announced that had been grown in a lab from some self-repairing, frictionless bio metal that cost less than a £100 that you'd see a huge upswing in bicycle use.

There isn't a lot you can do with twitter itself to get more people using it (even if you thought that was a good thing) - but availability of the technology to use it might. There isn't a lot you can do to get more using bicycles - availability of the infrastructure to use them might.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

3 hours 44 min ago
The fat commuter wrote:But it doesn't! It makes some cyclists into aggressive maniacs - not all of them. The problem being is that as more and more videos make their way into the public domain where a motorist has made a mistake and a cyclist goes out of their way to belittle them then the public will start t think that all helmet cam cyclists act that way, and then that all cyclists act that way.

Cameras have their use. Someone does something dangerous and the evidence can be supplied to the police and some form of education can be given and maybe some punishment. Whether this happens, we are not to know - I've heard some people say that it has happened and some say it hasn't.

However, what I see on the majority of these videos is a cyclist going out of their way to say that they are better than someone else. Yes, the driver made a mistake but is there a need to chase them down, wind them up to a state that they start making fools of themselves and then put that online? The 'Clown takes a pratfall' video comes to mind a lot in this mindset of winding up motorists. Yes, that fella in the Peugeot was a first class idiot but the cyclist knew after he had his first verbal encounter with him that the motorist was not going to back down. Why not be a bigger man and just forget about it there and then - you've made your point but it hasn't sunk in. Is there a need to goad the man so that he makes a fool of himself and then let the whole world see? What if that man had some past that the press got hold of that they turned against the holder of the video camera? Suppose the press make out he was a war hero from the first Iraq war who had suffered from psychological issues and anger problems - but had got over these through therapy and then this cyclist comes along and winds him up. It doesn't even have to be that true - once the press get hold of a tiny smell of a better story that will sell their papers then they will and mud will stick.

I get some close passes occasionally. I get motorists cutting in on me - usually I make a type of gesture of "wtf was that all about?" Not any aggression towards the other driver. Sometimes after doing this the next driver that passes me will make a gesture at me in the tone of "Blummin' heck, that was close". In my mind, whilst the first motorist got away with it - but maybe he saw my gesture, the second motorist thought about things and he/she will give just that little bit extra thought around cyclists. Cloud cuckoo land - maybe. But going out of one's way to humiliate people or have heated arguments is bad for cyclists in general.

I totally agree,there are an element of camera wind up merchants,however as with bad/intimidatory drivers they tend to be in the minority,it's Youtube that's providing the stage.
*Story alert*
Last Friday within a mile of home toward the end of a hard ride,into a stiff headwind and slight uphill riding slowly at about 12mph.
Out of nowhere a blaring horn, I did a mirror check a Megan is closing me down fast at about 40mph and still leaning on the horn,then hits the brakes and overtakes with less than 30cm,nearer 20cm,I fend off the car with my right hand,more of a reaction than anything,he then drives past maybe 5m and slows right down to my speed,then slower.I'm not 'falling' for the brake jab trick and keep my distance.
By this time I'm blazing and flick him the fingers.I see two faces peering out of the rear window,the front passenger,a woman in her late 'teens early twenties and a similar aged male.
I continue to ride at a safe distance,he tries the brake jab trick but I'm to far from him for it to work.Another car approaches from behind and he boots it away.
Unfortunately I was so focused on staying safe I didn't get all the reg plate SH04B** Black Renault Megane.
Video footage may stop this moronic goon from doing it again,if the police were to 'have a word'.

Last year whilst riding in a cycle lane 50 to100m from a red TL,a White LWB Merc Sprinter cut me up clipping my right shoulder with his rear nearside corner and swerving into the cycle lane to do it,even though he had plenty of room to stay in his own lane.
I approached his nearside cab window(ehich was going down as got to it) and said(quite calmly)'what was all that about'.
His response was "I'M GOING TO F***ING KILL YOU WITH THIS VAN",whilst bouncing up and down in his driving seat,I invited him to do it without the van but he declined.
There then followed a tirade of abuse toward me so loud it attracted attention from other vehicles,he was third inline to the TL,I rode to the front of the queue and when the lights changed I sprinted across the junction to the safety of the opposite curb,which has 1m high bollards on the radius which carry on 20m up the road,so I knew I was safe.
I thought he'd drive off but no,he stopped and the tirade began again with threats to kill me.
I was stumped for a second or two then I said "you're on camera and I'm phoning the police",which I did,I had full vehicle details and driver description.
When I was phoned back the police said they'd interview him,they did but of course he told a pack of lies.

I still don't know what I did to provoke these incidents but I do know camera footage would've been irrefutable evidence of drivers deliberately using their vehicles as weapons and in the second incident verbal abuse that was very frightening at the time however hollow it's intent.

These are not isolated incidents in fact similar,though not as frightening,incidents happen quite regularly,I'm bewildered as to why and cannot begin to think how I cause them other than being a convenient whipping boy to bully.

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

4 hours 10 sec ago
nope. none of that for me. mainly "real tennis" & lawn croquet don't you know.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

4 hours 39 min ago
Lance Dopestrong wrote: ....I don't use a camera, and rely on riding safely, anticipating the world around me, and actually looking around me now and again and don't seem to get into the scrapes that these camera boys do.
Neither do I,but a couple of recent very dangerous and deliberate intimidating incidents by drivers has made me to think seriously about it.
One deliberate extremely close overtake on a very wide road with a high 'teens mph side wind from my left,when the fourth car in a line of vehicles which had given me 2m+ of room(obviously seeing me struggling with the wind)I was o/taken with inches to spare,and followed by physical threats,which I'm convinced could definitely have lead to a prosecution if I'd had camera footage.

At best a camera is good for a bit of legal retribution after the event.
That would be my primary reason for using one,though it could also perhaps teach me a thing or two by hi-lighting any failings I may have in my own riding/driving,though I do try to constantly evaluate any bad habits I may have developed.
It could also be used for fun recoding my off road rides too.

It does nothing whatsoever to actually make you any safer.
See above.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

5 hours 11 min ago
The fat commuter wrote:But it doesn't! It makes some cyclists into aggressive maniacs - not all of them. The problem being is that as more and more videos make their way into the public domain where a motorist has made a mistake and a cyclist goes out of their way to belittle them then the public will start t think that all helmet cam cyclists act that way, and then that all cyclists act that way.

But cameras don't make anyone, anything. I'm not sure why a few individuals feel the need to publish recordings of them reprimanding drivers, etc. I've said something to drivers a couple of times when I felt they had endangered me & I saw a chance to *politely* have a word, but I generally avoid it.

I have, on the other hand been harrassed, verbally abused, run off the road, deliberately 'buzzed', and had overtakes close enough to make me ward the vehicle off with my hand out to the side. They aren't things that have happened often, but an accumulation of incidents amongst thousands of largely safe and happy miles.

Riding with a camera is relatively easy and might make the difference someday. I haven't yet gotten one, but every time I have a close call or scary incident, I consider it. IMO, if all motorists behaved the way the best do, there would be no need of cameras. Maybe the aggressive maniacs would be playing rugby or something.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

5 hours 18 min ago
I'm not surprised a motoring group dislikes helmet cams.

They are not too keen on speed cameras or any cameras which record the bad behaviour of motorists.

Rather than whining about cameras why don't such groups concentrate their efforts on telling motorists to obey the law, to drive in a considerate fashion and not to explode into paroxysms of hilarious temper when they get annoyed?

Then the cameras would have nothing noteworthy to catch on film.

London Safer Cycle Scheme starts today

5 hours 34 min ago
London Safer Cycle Scheme starts today Tues 2nd 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34111067

Hopefully will be extended to the whole country? A start to make roads safer for us?

But I think the side guards need to be closer to the ground? and angled in such away as to push a cyclist away?

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

6 hours 31 min ago
mig wrote:why..er....have you been inside a dustbin whilst others whack it?

Did you never have any fun when you were growing up?

Sliding and rolling down pit slag heaps on old bits of tin,including old dustbins,even the bonnet of an old car were great fun wen a wer uh lad
We once found the bonnet off one of these:-
Turned downside up,half a dozen ragged arrised kids could fit on one no problem

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

6 hours 33 min ago
Brucey wrote:reohn2 wrote: But at least it's got disc brakes ....

er, shouldn't that read

reohn2 wrote: But at least it's got discs ....

call me a cynical get but I reckon there are no calipers....

cheers

You could just be right,I assumed(never a good thing)they were hidden somewhere in all that CF

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

6 hours 53 min ago
Psamathe wrote:In the past I've considered getting a video recorder/camera thingy and I've considered getting a vi-vis waistcoat with "Video Recording" on the back (even with no camera) - yet to date I've done neither and the decision is still in-limbo.

Ian
I've often wondered whether simply having a waistcoast with the camera sign on it would have a positive (or negative) effect on drivers' behaviour?

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

6 hours 56 min ago
Brucey wrote:the dream of a fully enclosed bike is wonderful, but the reality is that every machine with a hard fairing I have ever seen or tried has been really noisy; a bit like being inside a dustbin whilst people are hitting it with something.

TBH I'm not quite sure I could stick that noise level all the time; to me it is just as intrusive as (say) the noise of riding on the rollers, which I hate. I quite like peace and quiet when I go out on my bike and I'm not sure I'd have it in any fully faired machine; maybe one with a fabric fairing would get 90% of the benefit without the noise?

BTW new materials might in the future reduce the weight of a robust bicycle significantly. However if a town bike went from (say) 15kg down to 10kg, this isn't that big a deal, not when you figure that bike plus rider plus luggage is liable to be 80-110kg for most adults on a commute.

cheers

why..er....have you been inside a dustbin whilst others whack it?

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

7 hours 2 min ago
One important aspect I've wondered about this issue is that of CCTV and "Data Protection". There may be a case that helmet/bike cam video recording is effectively the same as CCTV (i.e. video surveillance); arguably you are not taking a photograph of something but carrying out general surveillance and outside your property.

And if it is the case that helmet/bike cams constitute CCTV, then recorded images come under the Data Protection Act which gives those recorded a number of rights e.g. that you have to let people know they are being recorded, that they can request copies of the "information" (video) you are holding on them. And I would suspect that publishing personal details about them on the internet might be questionable becaus eof privacy cnsiderations.

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/

In the past I've considered getting a video recorder/camera thingy and I've considered getting a vi-vis waistcoat with "Video Recording" on the back (even with no camera) - yet to date I've done neither and the decision is still in-limbo.

Ian

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

7 hours 3 min ago
Brucey wrote:call me a cynical get but I reckon there are no calipers....
A small concession to aerodynamics.

The whole concept is of course daft. In addition to the many problems Brucey pointed out, the faring is too rearward to get behind. Instead, it would dump large quantities of air at your chest, likely increasing your drag.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

7 hours 21 min ago
I believe that cameras should be inconspicuous. Not to go so far as the hidden 'spy' camera so beloved of James Bond and the like, but at the very least, something not likely to be noticed before the other road user actually comes to a halt and engages in aggro. That's one of the two reasons why I go for a handlebar mounting (the other being, I don't have a helmet to fit a camera to.... ). There's often a lot of stuff on the handlebar already, you can easily 'bury' your camera amongst it.

If I wanted a second, rear-facing, camera, I'd stick it on the seat post, I think.

The fat commuter wrote:Why are we talking about smoke alarms in a debate about helmet cams?
Mea culpa, I'm afraid. I was putting across the point about 'fit and forget' as being equally applicable to the camera - until you need it. But by all means, could people try to stay on the original topic of this thread from now on, please?

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

7 hours 27 min ago
reohn2 wrote: But at least it's got disc brakes ....

er, shouldn't that read

reohn2 wrote: But at least it's got discs ....

call me a cynical get but I reckon there are no calipers....

cheers

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

7 hours 31 min ago
Why are we talking about smoke alarms in a debate about helmet cams?

Vorpal wrote:As for helmet cams.... Like everything else drivers with dash cams are 'just protecting themselves' agaisnt claims, etc. but the same camera somehow transforms a cyclist into an aggressive maniac?
But it doesn't! It makes some cyclists into aggressive maniacs - not all of them. The problem being is that as more and more videos make their way into the public domain where a motorist has made a mistake and a cyclist goes out of their way to belittle them then the public will start t think that all helmet cam cyclists act that way, and then that all cyclists act that way.

Cameras have their use. Someone does something dangerous and the evidence can be supplied to the police and some form of education can be given and maybe some punishment. Whether this happens, we are not to know - I've heard some people say that it has happened and some say it hasn't.

However, what I see on the majority of these videos is a cyclist going out of their way to say that they are better than someone else. Yes, the driver made a mistake but is there a need to chase them down, wind them up to a state that they start making fools of themselves and then put that online? The 'Clown takes a pratfall' video comes to mind a lot in this mindset of winding up motorists. Yes, that fella in the Peugeot was a first class idiot but the cyclist knew after he had his first verbal encounter with him that the motorist was not going to back down. Why not be a bigger man and just forget about it there and then - you've made your point but it hasn't sunk in. Is there a need to goad the man so that he makes a fool of himself and then let the whole world see? What if that man had some past that the press got hold of that they turned against the holder of the video camera? Suppose the press make out he was a war hero from the first Iraq war who had suffered from psychological issues and anger problems - but had got over these through therapy and then this cyclist comes along and winds him up. It doesn't even have to be that true - once the press get hold of a tiny smell of a better story that will sell their papers then they will and mud will stick.

I get some close passes occasionally. I get motorists cutting in on me - usually I make a type of gesture of "wtf was that all about?" Not any aggression towards the other driver. Sometimes after doing this the next driver that passes me will make a gesture at me in the tone of "Blummin' heck, that was close". In my mind, whilst the first motorist got away with it - but maybe he saw my gesture, the second motorist thought about things and he/she will give just that little bit extra thought around cyclists. Cloud cuckoo land - maybe. But going out of one's way to humiliate people or have heated arguments is bad for cyclists in general.

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