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Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 12:32pm
Quite, it's terribly unreliable to assume certain attributes based upon people's political views. Stereotyping is incredibly lazy and disrespectful to others. There seems to be an attitude amongst some that it is okay to dismiss others opinions and criticise the individuals without actually engaging with their arguments. This ought not to be the case. You change opinions through reasoned argument. Nobody was ever persuaded by being branded ignorant or called any other names.

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 12:24pm
Freddie wrote:To play Devil's advocate, that is a bit of an oversimplification. Sure, there are plenty of Daily Mail readers who are likely full of contempt for the "other" just because they are other, but are they not at least somewhat of a (over)reaction to the politically correct Guardian readers and columnists who seem to say (if not necessarily overtly) that you can never criticise immigrants, brown people, women et al for to do so would be, de facto, racist, sexist, bigoted and so on.


I think is true about UKIP voters too, there have been plenty of articles by the liberal intelligentsia criticising their ignorance, lack of good spirit or bigoted attitudes but the only self-acknowledged UKIP voter I know is also about the most charitable person I know. She has been involved with running local organisations, cooking Christmas dinners for old folk and helping out with village events for more than 30 years. I think a record of how much time she has contributed voluntarily, despite bringing up kids and part-time jobs would show 12 hours plus a week, every week for that 30 years.

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 12:19pm
karlt wrote:I've found in my 40 odd years that I don't come a cropper if I follow some fairly simple rules - 1. Don't slag off groups for the actions or perceived attributes of individuals...
You must have been having an off day...
karlt wrote:Daily Heil Commenters tend to dislike people who are not Like Them. The Daily Heil appeals to a lower middle class demographic, targeting the type of people who have an inflated opinion of themselves and therefore need someone to blame - immigrants, the unemployed, the council, Health and Safety, Political Correctness, for the fact that they're not hugely successful and that people pull them up on being prejudiced, moderately racist, homophobic sexists. Cyclists are just another outgroup to dislike simply because they're not People Like Us to the Mail readership. They hate them for the same reason that they hate immigrants, brown people, "lefties", you name it.
People are as guilty of generalising (disparagingly) about Mail readers as Mail readers themselves are perceived to be of generalising (disparagingly) about other groups

I get the impression that some people who hold one political view start to view theirs as the only acceptable one - the whole and only truth. Of course the solution to this is apply the following logic before assigning nasty attributes to others because they hold contrary opinions
karlt wrote:3. Don't assume everyone ought to be like you

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 11:49am
It's not as bad as all that.

Steady Rider started this thread http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=97991 regarding a Daily FAIL story from two years ago. All the worst rated comments are the anti-cyclist morons banging on about road tax, licenses, insurance, RLJ, pavement cycling and on and on ad nauseam.

Re: Tandems to Denmark

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 11:37am
Mark S wrote:May be defer the trip to next year if you can, when hopefully the Harwich to Esbjerg route will materialise again with Regina Line http://www.reginaline.dk/index-uk.htm
This nonsense keeps on being repeated. There is zero chance Regina Lines will ever take you across the north sea.

To be clear
- Regina lines is not a ferry company, it's not even a registered company
- It is just one man and his very amateurish website
- He has no money, no ship, no crew, no relevant experience
- There is absolutely no chance this could ever possibly turn into an operating ferry company taking you across the North Sea

At the moment he is not taking money off people. So it doesn't, at least not yet, seem to be fraud. Most people dismiss him as a fantasist. But he is causing damage by making a lot of people think there will be a ferry service to Denmark next year. But there won't be.

Re: New Route Planner

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 11:03am
Quick Q.
My route to work includes part of the Bristol to Bath Cycle Path - why does cycle.travel not want me to go through Staple Hill tunnel? Is the algorythm afraid of: i) the dark, ii) the damp or iii) the pigeon droppings? Staple Hill tunnel.jpg

Re: Touring on a Roadrat

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 10:44am
My colleaggue is on one as we head south from nordkapp, hes ridden it all over the place. FB clive rogers and chat to him?

Re: The People you Meet

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 10:13am
blackbike wrote:One person I always remember was an 84 year old cyclist who I met in Wensleydale on a ride from Lancaster to Leyburn on a very hot summer's day.

He had a superb old bike from the 40s 0r 50s and he was lean, fit and looked much younger than 84.

That was in 1984, so he's probably not cycling mow.

Alas, there's no-one alive now in Britain born in Victoria's reign, as this chap must have been. So it depends whether they have bikes up there.

Cycling Canal de Midi accomodation

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 9:42am
Hi,
We are touring novices and plan to Cycle the Canal De midi from Toulouse to Narbonne later this year. We have the Cicerone guide as a good start but would like some advice re accommodation. Any information or recommendations gratefully received. Many thanks Colin and Angela

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 9:27am
Freddie wrote:To play Devil's advocate, that is a bit of an oversimplification. Sure, there are plenty of Daily Mail readers who are likely full of contempt for the "other" just because they are other, but are they not at least somewhat of a (over)reaction to the politically correct Guardian readers and columnists who seem to say (if not necessarily overtly) that you can never criticise immigrants, brown people, women et al for to do so would be, de facto, racist, sexist, bigoted and so on. Many would sooner lynch their first born son, than criticise someone from what they consider a victimised group.

Just look at the recent Sir Tim Hunt situation for an example of relatively timid criticism, now known to be part of a longer joke that didn't go fully reported, which has caused all kinds of trouble for the man because he criticised the wrong group of people and expressed unfashionable opinions (even though only part of an ironic joke). This kind of furious censorial attitude I find no less distasteful than the fury exhibited by the Daily Mail readership. I suppose at least with the Daily Mail lot, you know where you stand; with the politically correct social engineers, the whole point seems to be you never quite know when you have said something verboten, for the goal posts are always moving. One who doesn't purvey forever changing, socially acceptable ideas in the right way is labelled a bigot and summarily torn to shreds, purely through their ignorance of the latest fashions, rather than through any real malice on their part.

People say that, but I've found in my 40 odd years that I don't come a cropper if I follow some fairly simple rules - 1. Don't slag off groups for the actions or perceived attributes of individuals; 2. Don't be a tit; 3. Don't assume everyone ought to be like you; 4. Don't use people's attributes as a basis for humour at their expense.

Re: The People you Meet

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 9:17am
Out on the Brompton here in Brittany yesterday. Met an old guy cutting his hedge. I stopped for a chat. He told me he had just caught two nice trout from the stream running through his garden and described in detail how he was going to prepare and cook them with fresh herbs from his garden. He went on to describe how he caught the various other birds like pigeons and partridges and once a wild boar all of which were cooked and eaten or turned into sausages or paté. He genuflected as I set off to tackle the next hill.

Al

Filled up my car, diesel is 86p a litre here!

Re: The People you Meet

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 9:10am
http://saddind.co.uk/cycling-legend-john-arnold-dies-aged-84/

met this chap quite a few years ago. he had some tales to tell.

Re: Bicycles from Britain to Continent

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 8:38am
The Eurotunnel service can take up to 6 people + bikes per trip. The bikes are safely strapped into the trailer using (adapted) Thule roof rack mountings.
We travelled with 4 older ladies who were using trains to get to the West coast of France for a 2 week cycling holiday.

Re: Please help!

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 June 2015 - 7:49am
I ride with clipless pedals and my wife rides with plain pedals with mini toe clips (the ones without straps). We can both ride long distances at a good pace, so pedal type should not be a cause of stress. If worries about clipless pedals are getting in the way of your enjoyment, switch.

Get a bike mechanic to look at ways of lowering your gears for the hills.

And you will get stronger, faster and more confident over time. You are still a newbie and your body has only just begun to adapt.

Re: Bicycles from Britain to Continent

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 June 2015 - 7:48am
We are at present a group of only 3, but are hoping for a 4th later this year. Thank you all for your contributions -- I feel a good deal more hopeful now of taking our own bicycles with us and finding them intact on arrival, all at a reasonable cost.

Re: Map reading - can anyone do this now?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 24 June 2015 - 11:34pm
I like maps & they are my favourite bed time read.

Re: Bicycles from Britain to Continent

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 24 June 2015 - 11:17pm
Some friends and I recently used the Eurotunnel Bike Service for the 2nd time and would highly recommend it. It is the fastest and cheapest way to get to France with a bike (£18 each way). Pick up (by minibus + trailer) is in Folkestone for an 8am or 3.30pm departure. Travel time is about 75-90 minutes and you are dropped off by the Cite de Europe shopping centre near Coquelles. The driver may even drop you at Calais Ville or Frethun (if you ask him nicely) but this is "off the record".
The amazing thing about the service is....if you have to postpone your trip for any reason then as long as you give them a little notice...your ticket is valid for a whole year from date of travel. This sounds too good to be true but the van driver confirmed it to us.

Re: Please help!

CTC Forum - On the road - 24 June 2015 - 11:04pm
I can appreciate the feeling as I got/have it a bit using toe-clips. When I started with them I did fall off a couple of times through just forgetting to slide my feet out e.g. stopped in front of house gate, bike stationary and then just fell to ground as I could not get my feet away from pedals - as I'd forgotten I had to slide them back.

I have got more used to them over the last year but I do still think about removing them. When I approach some hazard (or traffic) I tend to slip one foot out "just in case".

I suspect everybody is different. It's taking me a long time with toe-clips (1 year+). Others probably love them 1st ride.

Ian
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