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Re: Cycling holidays

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 7:24pm
Wow! While others will be along to offer some brilliant technical advice, I would like to offer you my best wishes. I have a background in tourism before I set up a business for something I really love. Horticulture. Now I run a gardening business. I love my work and I equally love the holistic approach I have to take. Sales, marketing, accounts, security, mechanics, dogs body work, etc etc.

It's very exciting even after 10 years so I'm excited for you. THE MOST IMPORTANT piece of advice I can give you is:


Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 7:22pm
mjr wrote:Both military boots with rain channels and wellies(!) work quite well for avoiding wet feet,

I'm well-versed in the virtues of wellies —they were standard wear for springtime when I were a lad. But what are "military boots with rain channels"?

Cycling holidays

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 6:10pm
I operate tours in Sumatra, Indonesia.

I was thinking about starting some cycling holidays.

I wonder if anyone has any advice?

The starting point is around 120km from the airport, through the city, which is sprawling and hostile. So I would anticipate providing a taxi to the start point, rather than getting people to cycle there.

Main roads often have stretches like this:

And in minor roads, more like this:

What sort of bikes should I provide?

And what kind of logistical support? I had a couple of trips in mind, something like A-B-A, around 40km each way (takes 2 hours by car), one-way non-stop, and the other way stopping at a point of interest on the way, from my base, around three days, and a second trip something like:

Day 1 A - 20km
Day 2 B - 40km
Day 3 C - 50km (through the mountains)
Day 4 D - 40km
Day 5 E - 60km
Day 6 F - 60km
Day 7 G - 60km

I guess people are probably going to be carrying a lot of luggage, so you need a van to go from point to point with their luggage. A spare bike as well?

What kind of bike spec would you look for? I need to buy the bikes, not spend too much money, and have something that will be reasonably durable and suitable for conditions as well as tourists of different sizes.

One (?) guide on bike, per four people, equipped with spares. Plus a driver + van with the baggage.

I was thinking I would run the trip(s) on set dates, with a minimum of two people.

What sort of balance would you make between cycling and other activities? A lot of the local tourist attractions involve fairly strenuous hikes (scrambling up and down hills), which by themselves exhaust the average traveller. But I would assume that people would still want to do these things as well as cycling. Where is the balance?

And what sort of itinerary length would you look for? Is a week about right?

Also what do you do about rain? Generally it rains torrentially sometime between 4 and 6pm, though it's not guaranteed. In the morning/mid-day rain is much less common. This is 12 months a year, but at some times of the year it is wetter, and morning/lunch-time rain is possible. You could obviously seek to avoid those hours (sunset is 6:30pm), but it cuts down the time available.

Re: Blasting cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 4:07pm
Has horn-blasting been advocated somewhere recently? Is Jeremy Clarkson broadcasting again?

I had it happen last week - the second time this year and probably the second time ever in this way. I was on a 30mph road heading out of a village. As I passed one driveway, a 4x4 was just emerging. I looked at them - it wasn't anyone I recognised. I'd say an over-60 fairly large gentleman driving. I forget what the passenger looked like. A few hundred metres later, they caught me up and leant on their horn. It's not like I could do anything to let them past sooner, as the next opportunity to do so was the turning on the left just after the bend that I was going to take anyway... and besides, the road's then straight enough that they could probably overtake anyway.

I have no idea what the purpose of the horn blast was. If I had stopped (or fallen), they would simply have to stop behind me.

I get the occasional short honk when riding around town, but most of the roads I use are wide enough that any horn user has usually overtaken almost before I can react (usually to wave in case it's someone I know, as it often is) and those roads are noisy enough that the noise of a car horn isn't enough to make me jump. The long blast on small roads seems like a recent development, though.

Some motorists are very odd, aren't they?

Re: La velodyssey first timer.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 3:57pm
Might be some help with the start

Re: 31% increase in cycling Road casualties 2007 to 2014

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 3:38pm
Pete Owens wrote:It is likely that the supposed safety features (aka cycle paths) that have been appearing all over the place in the last few years have directly increased the crash statistics.
And yet, when I drill down to local crashes, the worst ones tend to be in places without any cycling infrastructure. For example, the four cyclist fatalities in those seven years in our borough were two on crossroads with no cycle facilities, one on a rural dual-carriageway A road and one on a narrow edge-of-town 30mph A road. All four involved motor vehicles too.

Pete Owens wrote:These are known to vastly increase the collision risk at junctions yet the enthusiasm to build more and more of them seems undiminished.
Known? So have you got new evidence that I've not already reviewed and spotted the flaws in? And what about the bits between the junctions (as in the two A-road fatalities above)?

It is not surprising that a junction on one of Gilligan's new cycle-super-highways topped the list of cycle crash locations recently published in the Times.
Stratford High Street and Warton Road? A junction where, as the Times pointed out in http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cy ... 532280.ece, CS2 decides to take the junction off and dump cyclists in the worst possible place to get left-hooked: https://goo.gl/maps/zs8ynJML9682 If anything, this shows the importance of more cycling infrastructure, continuing it across junctions instead of the all-too-common English approach of only providing it on the easy non-junction stretches.

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 3:24pm
VC = Victoria Cross, awarded for valour in battle.

Re: Blasting cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 3:24pm
I get that very often I don't know, is it because I'm a woman? And I'm a person who gets scared very easily with sudden noise. I was in many dangerous situations because some moron behind a stirring wheel (and not only vans!) decided to use a horn while passing, sometimes shouting something as well (I never managed to hear the words, just say some stupid grins) and I have never done anything wrong. Riding safely side of the road, hi-vised, lights, helmet on, checking regularly the road behind me etc.
Once I nearly feel in front of a lorry behind one of such morons because I got a shock reaction.
Thanks very much irresponsible drivers.

Re: Motorcycle...YES...Lorry Driver ...NO

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 2:50pm
Elizabeth_S wrote:It is illegal to lie on a job application form, ..........................

This is not a criticism, but I'm genuinely interested to know what the legality involved is in what you say? What is the offence? (Just wondering if I put the correct 'O' level grades down in my last job app?).

Re: GPS or maps

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 2:39pm
Reviving this thread – if anyone's still reading it! – to ask if anyone has any experience of the Memory Maps Adventurer 3000. It appeals to me because it has OS 1:50,000 maps pre-loaded for the whole of the UK, and they happen to be pretty much my favourite. Also, it's just about affordable for someone who's not yet entirely convinced about GPS! But I'd also like to be able to load routes onto it (whatever device I end up with) from eg cycle.travel or ridewithgps and follow them, probably as a line on a map. I'm unlikely to use the GPS device as a route plotter, though doubtless when I'm lost – I mean, when I have been improvising a route! – in an area I'm unfamiliar with, I'll look at to get back to wherever I might think I should want to be.


Re: Motorcycle...YES...Lorry Driver ...NO

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 2:15pm
And he will regain his car licence june 2016......................................

But I am assuming that at 68 (after 10 year ban) he would not be able to drive HGV's again....................

He can still kill again with his car so why ban just for 12 months...........

I've only ever lost my licence temporarily whilst they make a decision, so I don't know how it works if you're banned. Perhaps they're obliged to set a date by which the decision must be reviewed.

Re: 31% increase in cycling Road casualties 2007 to 2014

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 1:53pm
iviehoff wrote:horizon wrote:I couldn't work out from the road.cc whether the number was from collisions with vehicles or bike-alone accidents. I would love to know the circumstances of these accidents: main roads, London streets, lorries, night-time etc. Even a building boom in London could affect the figures. I could also add that a big increase in fast road riding may have had an effect. How do we address the problem if we don't know the cause and what will be the point if the obvious causes (e.g. tipper lorries) are not going to be addressed anyway. At the moment we're just blind and then stupid.
The stats are road casualties from all causes. A link to the original government source was conveniently provided by OP.

I somehow missed it! So thank you for that.

I have ploughed through some of the supporting documents but am still unenlightened as to how the accidents occurred (apart from being subsumed in say Failure to look stats). But I will persevere.

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 1:38pm
tyreon wrote:To carry on cycling in heavy rain = depression,anger,divorce...wet feet,no matter what you wear+++(excepting full waterproof trousers etc)
Both military boots with rain channels and wellies(!) work quite well for avoiding wet feet, but aren't ideal for cycling (especially the wellies, which flop back and forth quite a bit) and are quite big to carry when not cycling. Does anyone make cycling-friendly shoes with rain channels or a quick way to dry them off? Or are waterproof trousers onto waterproof overshoes and hope the rain doesn't get in from beneath as good as it gets?

tyreon wrote:I salute and endorse VC's to those who continue to cycle thru the deluge: not sure of your reasoning!
What are VC's?

psmiffy wrote:And sometimes just riding in wild weather fully togged up and immune to the elements can be exhilarating in itself
This, although I've not yet done a multi-day tour, so I've not had to deal with the problem of trying to dry things off for the next day's riding.

Re: Tyre recommendations

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 1:26pm
pwa wrote:Something designed for ice.

+1 - with studs!

Re: Blasting cyclists

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 1:12pm
Oddly enough, this has never happened to me before in over 30 years of cycling, but it did yesterday (Sunday, when I don't normally go out on the bike). Spooky.
Some complete moron in a red pickup leaned on the horn before passing me. Double track straight road out in the country, no other traffic in sight, me alone, in secondary (primary had a big seam in the road) so no possibility I was 'in their way'.

Given I'm clearly female, but equally clearly neither young nor attractive, it' was plainly just aggressive and stupid behavior.

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 12:04pm
I can't narrow it down to one of those options. It depends on so many factors: camping or staying in some sort of 'solid' accommodation (hotel, b&b, yha, ... )? What's the temperature? Wind? Terrain? How far to the next place? Is there a set next place? And so on...

Re: Funny thing this morning

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 October 2015 - 12:01pm
They've been getting younger for years!

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 11:24am
I have had two occasions--once when cycling, and once when walking long distance--where I would have taken the train or the bus if it had been an option. I was cold, wet, miserable, and other things were going wrong, like punctures on the bike or blisters on my feet.

In both circumstances, there was little option except carrying on, at least that day (no public transport available). The next day, though, things looked better. The walking tour was B&B, so I at least had a hot meal and comfortable bed after a miserable day.

Otherwise, the only thing that will get me onto a bus or train is a mechanical that I cannot sort out by the side of the road.

It's got to be really bad before I'd rather be somewhere else than out on my bike.

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 11:15am
I've never quit because of the rain, it can actually be quite fun riding in the rain from time to time. Memories are usually made up of the days that are exceptional for one reason or another rather than the mundane days. I recall riding from Blackpool to Chester through the remnants of Hurricane Bill in 2009, it was torrential as I passed through Warrington, but the evening sun was enough to dry me off by the time I arrived.

Re: In an heavy raining day

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 October 2015 - 10:37am
This summer, in Provence, we had a day with heavy rain showers that eventually joined together in the afternoon and became torrential rain with lightning. We had seen the forecast and knew the day would be that way but we decided to ride through it. It was fine, and we even laughed at the way we continued when the rain was bouncing up off the road. When the lightning started we were about 10 miles from our destination (Orpierre) and upped our effort to 90% to minimise any danger. That was fun. When we reached Orpierre we still had a few miles to go to get to the camp site. My wife speaks French fluently, and she went into the tourist information place to ask them to contact our camp site and ask about any available caravans or chalets. We didn't fancy putting the tent up in the downpour. The result was a clean and odour-free ancient caravan that the laid back campsite owner provided for a small extra charge. Perfect. If we had ducked out of that day we would have missed out.
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