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Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 10:50pm
irc wrote:Not impressed with the priority given to this investigation. The postal 172 notices (with a 28 day limit to respond) to a keeper to identify a driver are appropriate for volume offences like speed cameras. Not for a hit and run with serious injuries.

The 28 days limit only applies to a 172 request by post. A verbal request face to face requires an immediate answer. Given the seriousness of this crime I would have thought a better course of action would be tel contact with the lease company to establish who was actually keeping the vehicle. In this case it would seem it was a garage which gave it to the suspect as a courtesy car. Thereafter police attend at the garage and speak to the appropriate person and make a verbal requirement under S172 for the identity of the driver. Result - user of the car identified in a day or two not a month or three. Get a statement from the garage employee then move the enquiry along.

I'm relieved to hear that it is actually possible to do this- the video suggested that the investigating officer said it wasn't, and she had to follow the 28 day stuff. Clearly she didn't have to do it this way (as I suspected). Which just reinforces my feeling that the whole investigation was a mess. It certainly needs investigating. If the victim's allegations about what happened during the investigation are true, then the force itself ought to be investigated to find out whose decisions caused the whole mess - and the failure to convict someone of some very serious offences (not least of which was failing to stop).

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 10:24pm
When do they apply?

When it is "bad" people like gangs who are not entitled to the same level of "innocent until proven guilty" as respectable car drivers are.

Or less cynically when a group is involved in a crime and you cant prove which one actually had the murder weapon in their hand, they are all guilty (as they are deemed to have gone out with a joint mind to commit the crime) and cant all get off because the detail of who's hand is beyond proof.
Must say that the hat fits from the moment the cyclist was hit.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 10:10pm
What's "Joint Enterprise Rules"? When do they apply? When not? Are these the rules wherein at a murder scene when more than one person is in attendance and no murderer identified,all persons can and are charged with murder?...As in,5 youths going down for a stabbing wherein no one will say who killed X? Or police cannot identify said perpetrator?

Applicable in this case?

Pump Recommendations

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 February 2016 - 9:49pm
My much loved, and much used pump has finally given up

I've been supergluing and sticking it back together all summer and it's time to say good bye

It was an amazon special and sadly no longer available

Any recommendations?

I like to carry it on the bike so it doesn't have to fit in my jersey pocket. I like them with a hose

I'm thinking of the Lezyne Road Drive L

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 9:44pm
Not impressed with the priority given to this investigation. The postal 172 notices (with a 28 day limit to respond) to a keeper to identify a driver are appropriate for volume offences like speed cameras. Not for a hit and run with serious injuries.

The 28 days limit only applies to a 172 request by post. A verbal request face to face requires an immediate answer. Given the seriousness of this crime I would have thought a better course of action would be tel contact with the lease company to establish who was actually keeping the vehicle. In this case it would seem it was a garage which gave it to the suspect as a courtesy car. Thereafter police attend at the garage and speak to the appropriate person and make a verbal requirement under S172 for the identity of the driver. Result - user of the car identified in a day or two not a month or three. Get a statement from the garage employee then move the enquiry along.

Re: Wheel recommendations for credit card touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 February 2016 - 9:40pm
My current wheels are hand built on Ultegra hubs, I forget the rims as I type, but have been told that they are heavy due to the spokes rather than the rims. They are heavy and springy and therefore lose a bit of power. Also I don't need 32 spokes. I only weight 75kilos when I'm touring and carry one change of clothes. When I refer to heavy this is more to do with feel rather than actual weight. On a recent tour I swapped the hand-built wheels for Mavic Kysrium Elites from my carbon bike and this made an 'ell of difference. It flew up the hills - and this was on 2500 mile ride with 100k of climbing.

The Mavics are back on the racer, and now I want something similar, for the Enigma (bought frame only and built up a component at a time - so no wheels)

At the moment, I'm probably going to go with Ultegra 6800 wheelset which I can get for £201 = seems like a bargain

After 3 punctures today in my GP4s, I think I'll go back to GP 4 seasons.

Re: Yorkshire Wolds/Lincolnshire Wolds

CTC Forum - MTB - 7 February 2016 - 8:55pm
I spent six years at university in York, and believe me, there really aren't any on the Yorkshire Wolds unless you enjoy trudging along horse-churned grass and mud bridleways. It must be a total swamp up there at the moment, you have my sympathies.

Child friendly, car camping and cycling, Northern Europe

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 February 2016 - 8:50pm
Hoping for some advice/suggestions as to a few good places to go to on a trip this June.

I will be in Roubaix, France having hopefully completed the Paris Roubaix ride and am then taking the family for a holiday in Europe. Youngest will be 18 months so we don't want to drive too far in one go - say 2 or 3 six hour drives in the two weeks would be good.

Vague plan is to base ourselves in 2 or three decent campsites and explore the local area on bikes. So places with decent camping, child friendly cycling for a nearly 4 year old and not too many hills for dad towing the other.....

We have "done" France, Belgium and the Netherlands and I am thinking Germany may be the best bet.....

Would love to head to Austria and ride along the Danube but too far to drive for this trip!

Suggestions very welcome!

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 8:41pm
I've just watched more of the videos. I have to say I think the police investigation was a total mess. All that business of 'they have x weeks to respond' was ridiculous. The cyclist was the victim of a hit and run that could have killed him. It ought to have been treated like attempted murder. If anyone had done the same with a gun rather than a car, or anyone had stolen something valuable from someone important, the police would have found out who they were in about ten seconds flat.

As it was, they went about it as if someone had had their wing mirror broken whilst parked. It's hardly surprising the CPS felt there was not much they could do- evidence not collected, suspects not contacted until months afterwards when they could bleat 'I can't remember which of us was driving' (not that that is any defence in this case if you listen to the other evidence). You can't weave without weft.

If the police had wanted (for some reason) the suspects to get off, they couldn't have done a more thorough job of making sure they would. I've often defended the police, my own uncle was a copper and he was a good man, but this time there just isn't anything to defend- not one shred.

EBAY: Condor Fratello Disc 61cm

CTC Forums - Bikes For Sale - 7 February 2016 - 8:12pm

http://i.imgur.com/rDzOr4f.jpg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172093348669

Based in New Cross SE London.

Hoping for around £1200 but it is an auction. This price is based on the Condor staff recommendation of 30% off what it cost me. This includes some parts that I already owned that were new at the time and were used in the build. The bicycle has received very light use.

Condo fratello Disc in deep purple. Disc brakes, Shimano 105 5800. I have included the invoice from Condor below. I paid £1,576.07 for the build and components from condor. The following components that I already owned were then installed by Condor: rack (tubus Vega, new at the time), tyres (schwalbe marathon from my old bike, light wear), saddle (Concor brand, from my old bike, well worn). I then installed peddles (Shimano PD-T780, new at the time), and a used bottle cage and used bike pump.

I collected the newly built bike in approx october last year. It has received very light use. I'd estimate under 200 miles, probably under 100. The bike has just had its first service from Condor.
I am looking for £1200.
Reason for sale is that I'm downgrading.


FRAME Fratello Disc 2015 61cm Deep Purple £ 699.99
FORK inc.Carbon
GROUPSET Shimano 105 5800 w/o brakes Black £ 390.00
BRAKES BB7R PLAT ROAD DISC F/R OEM SE 160mm Silver £ 109.99
ROTOR ADAPTORS Aztec Centre-Lock Adaptor (Madison: PBRS001) x 2 Silver £ 19.98
CHAINSET compact 175mm 50-34T P
CASSETTE/SPROCKET inc. 11-32T P
HANDLEBARS Condor Strada OS 42c/c Black £ 24.99
STEM Condor Strada OS 110mm Black £ 24.99
TAPE/GRIPS Specialized Cork Black £ 14.99
SADDLE Customer will supply on Collection P
SEAT POST Condor Strada OS Black £ 19.99
SEAT CLAMP inc. Black P
WHEELSET/BUILD FEE Handbuilt £ 60.00
® Front hub HB-RS505 32H Black £ 19.99 P
® Rear hub FH-RS505 32H Black £ 34.99 P
® Rims P "Mavic MX 419 29"" Disc" 32H Black £ 58.00 P
® Spokes Double Butted Silver £ 51.20
TYRES Customer own Schwalbe Marathon
TUBES Specialized 48mm £ 11.98
RIM TAPE inc.
GUARDS Sks Chromoplastic £ 34.99
TOTAL £ 1,576.07
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Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 8:04pm
Paulatic wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say there.
If you mean if they are, and I've no idea as Reginald hasn't said so AFAIK, a mixed race and it has no relevance to us then you are quite right.
If it's the case that the information could have been used for further identification as to determining which of the two were driving then I believe it is relevant to us. Further evidence of the weekness of the CPS.
The part of this that is potentially significant is the two people in the car might look different enough to be distinguished, perhaps by CCTV. It doesn't matter at all that they are a mixed race couple.

Re: Cycling opportunity Keswick -Kendal

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 7:30pm
Bicycler wrote:https://twitter.com/CumbriaCC/status/695278724254605312
can confirm pedestrians and cyclists can use the temporary road when it opens.

Thanks for that. We'll be there at Easter if not before so that's very useful.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 7:29pm
Mark R wrote:Unbelievable

The investigating officer used the quality of RS's video as a rationale for not collecting up the other cctv footage from the area.

She failed to notice that the video didn't identify the driver. Seems pretty negligant to me

On the little I know so far, I said before that the fundamental fault seems to me to lie with the police investigation. The cyclist was lucky not to be killed in this hit-and-run. It should have been investigated from the start as a potential attempted murder.
If it really is the case as you say, it is outrageous that cyclists get told on the one hand their videos aren't good enough for an investigation, and on the other they find they are so 'good' that essential other collaborative evidence doesn't get collected.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 7:24pm
Mark R wrote:Flinders wrote:Just watched the video again; it's clear from watching the other vehicles etc. that the car accelerates into the cyclist.
That's odd.
The cyclist was clearly visible, and the car stayed well behind it for some time (i.e., it's not like a car between pulled out to overtake and the driver of the car behind only saw the bike at the last moment.
I still think there is something odd about this. Even if the driver decided to answer the phone, or text someone, I can still only see why it would maintain speed, not why it would accelerate.


Have you watched the update video? He explains why he believes this was a deliberate attack in a very articulate way.

I only watched part of the new one, it being rather long, and haven't seen any of the four promised, so thanks for that, I will watch them all the way through when I have time.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 7:06pm
York Hill is a monster.WAY beyond me. Hubby has done it (once) with the Catfords and says its at the limit of his ability. Kent/Surrey can surprise you with their hills.

Jan

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 6:38pm
beardy wrote:pwa wrote:TonyR's question about what we can do about population increase without resorting to draconian policies (one child per family, etc) is a good one. And you can add to it the fact that the increase in the number of old people makes an increase in the number of younger people (to support them) essential. But there must be a limit. Unless the whole world is going to look like Hong Kong!

I'd limit Child Benefit to, say, two or three children, and take a similar approach with other benefits related to family size. I'd also want a public campaign to encourage sustainable family size.

You would "punish" children for their parents sake then?
£13 a week isnt enough to make me condone abortion and I would anyway rather have a child raised in poverty than terminated and not raised at all. That is actually the only reason for our existence, to self propagate.

Drinking is a problem. Cut their benefits.
Obesity is a problem. Cut their benefits.
Truancy is a problem. Cut their benefits.
Antisocial behaviour is a problem. Cut their benefits.
Immigration is a problem. Cut their benefits.
Housing is a problem. Cut their benefits

One could imagine the only real problem is poor people. What was IDS's solution for poor people?
Oh yes, Cut their benefits.

Steady on. I say I think A and B, so you jump to the conclusion that I also think C, D and E.

I think that in a world of finite resources and problems created by our effluent it is irresponsible of us to multiply too fast. I think having a big family is a bad idea. If we do not exercise self control in this area the old natural solutions of war and famine will do the job for us. I'd like to avoid that. Or I could just stick my head in the sand and pretend there is no problem.

Anything our government does to encourage having more than two or three children should be thought about very carefully. And it's no use saying that is making children poorer, because having large families already does that. If you don't like the emphasis on benefits, come up with a better way.

I don't condone abortion as a way of controlling family size. Contraception works well for most of us.

Re: Wheel recommendations for credit card touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 February 2016 - 6:23pm
mnichols wrote:I was going to use Continental Grand Prix 4 seasons, although on a recent tour where my friends were on 4 seasons, I had far fewer punctures than them with Grand Prix 4sii

anyone found anything better than the above, and views on whether the 4s is actually better than the 4 seasons

I was on 28mm, they were on 25mm

Of the Conti range, I've only used the GP4 Seasons in recent years, but for audax type cycling I cannot see why anyone would need to forsake the extra protection of the 4 Season version, given that it is already so light, fast and supple.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 February 2016 - 6:08pm
It's a pity that the Joint Enterprise rules cannot be used - or could they?

Re: Sri Lanka

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 February 2016 - 5:35pm
I have returned a couple of days ago from a one month cycle tour of Sri Lanka. I would thoroughly recommend it as a touring destination, There is plenty of cheap accommodation and food is good and cheap too. The people are incredibly kind and helpful, and many speak some English even in the rural areas. The main roads are excellent, most of the B roads are good quality too, though there are quite a lot of road works, where the roads are rough, and some tarmac can be broken up quite badly. The mountain areas are incredibly beautiful, and the infamous road from Kandy to Nuwara Eliya, climbing up through the tea plantations, is one of the most beautiful rides you can do. At this time of year the weather was really good, in a month we only had half a day of rain. All the accommodation we stayed in had mosquito nets, so that wasn't a problem. We found the other road users were considerate and left us a lot of space, though their style of driving is different to ours and takes a little getting used to. The towns are a bit hectic, but as soon as you are a kilometer out of the town, there is little traffic. I cant comment on the weather in July, but I believe that the North and East have a different wet season, so maybe that is the place to go.

Cannondale Synapse 60cm - Immaculate

CTC Forums - Bikes For Sale - 7 February 2016 - 5:20pm
I am reluctantly selling my Synapse. I built up the bike in August 2014 having had the frame for some time - it was manufactured in 2007. The frame is one of the last ones made in the US before they switched production to Taiwan. It has beautiful smooth welded alloy tubes and the fork is full carbon. There are only a couple of very slight blemishes to the grey metallic paintwork.

The groupset is full Shimano 105 10 speed and is as new. The STI's still have the clear protective plastic on. The wheels are also as new and are the excellent Campagnolo Scirocco 35 G3's which are pretty light and robust and shod with Continental Gatorskin tyres. Finishing kit is Cannondale C3 with an ITM stem, San Marco Ponza saddle and Planet X bartape.

I have only covered 20 miles on the bike back in 2014 and it has remained unused since, it rides very well, responsive and forgiving over rougher roads, it's just too similar to another bike that ends up as my go to steed. A striking looking lightweight bike great for sportives/day rides.

£475ono collected from Bristol or courier delivery at additional cost. Please PM if interested,i have the full geometry details and more pics that i can email.
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